How To Buy Double Glazing in the UK
by: T. O' Donnell
Double-glazing reduces heat loss through your windows. You can save money on your heating bills. *However, it will be a long time before you save enough money equal to the cost of the windows*. If you can't afford to replace *all* your windows, choose the rooms that cost you the most money to heat.
Double-glazed windows come in a variety of sizes and styles. Check for any planning restrictions on your house due to age and location. Sometimes planning permission may be required, in the case in listed buildings and conservation areas. Also if you are converting a flat window into a bay window. Check this with the local authority.
Don't rely on the Yellow Pages or advertisements to choose a supplier. Anyone can place an advert, join a trade body, or display badges they're not entitled to.
Always use a reputable double galzing company that you have had independently checked out. Don't rely on the fact that you have heard of them as even some of the biggest advertisers may have had several incarnations. It's very easy in Britain to shut down one company and open up again under a similar name.
A 10% deposit is normal. A larger one is appropriate only if the work is 'bespoke' - such as unique timber window designs. Try to pay in stages according as the work in completed, and withhold the final payment until the work is completed to your satisfaction. Do not go for the cheapest quotation. There's a price point below which you'll be buying rubbish. Do not try to beat the price down too much. Less professional suppliers will agree to it, but sell you short later. Get the best you can afford. Ask your supplier how long the delivery will be. Have this stipulated on your contract. Additionally ask for an estimate of how long the work will take to finish once they are on-site.
Always pay deposits by credit card, as this will afford you some level of protection under the Consumer Credit Act. If the company will accept credit cards for the whole job then that is even better. You have 30 days to make a claim with your credit-card company. You have to show how you were given bad goods or workmanship i.e. they contracted to give you X and gave you Y instead.
Check, double check and get independent advice on the contract before you sign, as some contracts are considerably more onerous than others.
The best way to avoid salesmen's traps is to be sure of what you want before the salesman arrives in order to present him with your requirements and use that as your bargaining chip. Getting a specific quote against a specific set of requirements is the only way you can be certain of getting like for like quotations and getting the best prices to compare at your leisure. Ask if your chosen double glazing installer is a member of the Glass and Glazing Federation, check for FENSA accreditation and make sure that all products carry the safety standard kite mark.
Double Glazing Company checks to carry out:
- How long have they been in the glazing business?
- Check with Companies House.
- What guarantees do they offer?
- Are they insurance backed, lifetime or limited, are they transferable?
- Membership of independent or paid for trading organisations. These could include:
- G.G.F - Glass and glazing federation
- B.P.F - British plastics federation.
- F.M.B - Federation of master builders
- Conservatory council
- Conservatory association
- Consumer protection association
- Guild of master craftsman
- E.B.C - European builders confederation
- Quality standards:
- BS5750
- B.B.A certification
Public liability insurance.
Will the fitters and the company be covered if something should go wrong? You should look for at least 2 million pounds cover and check the certification covers the people who are actually doing the work.
Product standards to check out:
- B.S.I - British standards (kitemarks), for locking, security, safety, product, glass etc.
- B.B.A - British board of Agrement
- FENSA - Document L of the building regulations.
You should make up a comparison checklist and confirm all claims independently of any sales claim or literature. The *good* contractors get work by word-of-mouth referrals from previous clients. They've plenty of work to keep them going, and so are worth waiting a few months for.
The bad ones are doing too many jobs at once, moving workers from site to site, don't supervise them properly, and thus do poor work.
Ask yourself: Has the Double Galzing Company given:
1. Full and honest information.
2. Samples
3. Installations locally to look at
4. Recommendations.
5. The small print
6. Acceptable levels of deposits and payment terms
7. Full drawings and specification (if you don't have them prepared first).
8. Time to think!
About The Author
T. O' Donnell (http://www.tigertom.com/double-glazing-uk/index.shtml) offers double glazing quotes, advice, and an ebook, in London, UK.
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Date Added: Wednesday 19th August 2009
"Good information on this site. What wasn't mentioned though was the three hours of negotiation with the salesman that is required before a somewhat realistic quote can be achieved. Even then if you do not sign up immediately and tell them that you are going to obtain other quotes, they will come back with a much reduced price at a later date. They will lie through their teeth and tell you that they will get no commission on the price you are offered. It is not true. The moral is; buyer beware. This activity is usually only practised by national companies. Small independents do not seem to operate this way."
Matt Longmore
Date Added: Friday 31st July 2009
"Oh my word, customers want your time, you poor salesman, how horrific, why not just leave the customers out of this and see where you get you bunch of lying morons. "
Boo Hoo For DG Salesmen
Date Added: Friday 20th March 2009
"i wish that double glazing sales men would just give a fair, decent price in the first place, and then we would not have to shop around wasting time, and phone calls."
S R I
Date Added: Tuesday 24th February 2009
"Very informative article. You've laid out all the basics and we like to think of ourselves as tradesmen and not salesman. Coastline Windows"
CoastlineWindows
Date Added: Saturday 17th January 2009
"Hi all,
Some good points here on both sides
I have been working for Double Glazing Company’s for over 20years now, this is why I set up my own company so that I can do a good job for a fair price.
We have done over 16 jobs in 6 months & would be happy if any 1 would like to contact them & see the work for them self’s.
Jason (WindowAce~harrow)
"
WindowAce~harrow
Date Added: Thursday 3rd April 2008
"Jesus!! what a load of moaners salesmen really are, what do you want us to do have bleeding hearts because you choose to work 12+ hours a day.. get a life and a decent job."
Boohoo for salesmen
Date Added: Saturday 16th February 2008
"Salesman: What sort of mug would take the first price quoted just to save you petrol money? People have to work hard at their own jobs to feed their own kids etc so they want to check and compare prices. No-one buys windows with the view of paying your commission, they buy them because they need them and need to get the best deal possible. I got two windows and a back door recently and got quoted £5800 first, ended up with two more quotes and saved over £4000. Not particularly upset that first rep didn\'t get a huge chunk of commission to be honest. Chancer. "
a sensible person!
Date Added: Thursday 14th February 2008
"Decent double glazing salesmen work their ass off for 16 hours a day plus telling people that if they want a good product for a fair price with all safety features and toughened glass, 10 year guarantee etc they will have to pay a fair price. So when these suckers pay £ 4000 and less for a housefull of substandard, windows, doors, patio doors etc and then wonder how companies cant afford to sort out any problems thats their own tight arse fault !!!!!! YOU CAN NOT GET A LOT FOR NOT A LOT !!!! IF YOU PAY CHEAP YOU PAY TWICE!!!!!!!!!! COMMON LAW OF BUSINESS STATES THIS!!!!!!"
A LOGICAL PERSON
Date Added: Wednesday 30th January 2008
"You may want to contact Fensa or your local Citizens Advice as first point of call to see what their informed advice would be Fensa or CAB"
Admin
Date Added: Wednesday 23rd January 2008
"had double glazing put in november2007 none of the glass has the kite mark on them the glass seems very thin to me as when you push it, it moves the back door should have safety glass and also the dining window but all seems the same to me ,how can i find out if the right glass has been put in and if safety glass has gone into areas where it should have i am 64 years old im not stupid i just think i may have been took for a fool.if any one has any suggestions would be glad of any information from anyone who can help i can be contacted by e mail on doreendymond@yahoo.co.uk many thanks liz"
e d dymond
Date Added: Tuesday 16th October 2007
"do you realise double glazing salesmen work between 12 to 16 hours a day spending their own money on petrol to give "quotes" to people who compare nothing but prices on the off chance they may earn a meagre commission to feed their kids and then customers want time too?????? i bet you get a salary !!!"
a salesman